George Galloway: It is the truth that must be told … it is the original sin that led to the birth of the state after which all the other sins are consequences. That is the way we have to look at it, it was the illegitimate way which the state was created that has led to all the other illegitimate acts. And if you only deal with the acts without looking at the original sin, then you will fail to understand the reality of this conflict. Essentially, the Zionist idea that there was a land without a people which could be given to a people without land was a fundamental untruth. Palestine did have a people. And that people had to be driven out of Palestine in order for the new state to be born.
Pappe: There were also some positive ideas for Zionism if you distance them from the fate of the Palestinians, it was legitimate to seek a safe heaven for Jews that were about to be exterminated in Europe and it was the right of the Jews as any other people to seek self determination. But not at the expense of the Palestinians and not by dispossessing the Palestinians
My questions to Mr. Pappe.
1- “The positive ideas” of Zionism apply only to Jews.
2- How can you distance the Palestinians from the tragedy that fell on their heads when foreign Jews fell on their heads?
3- Why must Arab land be used to seek “safe heaven” for a foreign European people?
4- The Ashkenazi of Europe faced no threat to their lives in 1948, did they?
5- Why must a foreign European people seek “self-determination” on Palestinian lands?
6- “Not at the expense of the Palestinians”, you said? At whose expense then?
7- There were no “positive ideas of Zionism” for the people-of-color targeted for elimination.
8- You never seem to give a reason as to why Palestine was the only land where
European Jews could find ‘safe heaven’? Did the Ashkenazi try to go to South Africa, Zimbabwe, South America?
Zionism from its very beginning was to create a country for the Ashkenazi and to expel the Palestinians. Why is Mr. Pappe pretending as if he is not aware?
Theodore Herzl : — “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
Theodore Herzl : — “If we move into a region where there are wild animals to which(European) Jews are not accustomed – big snakes etc. – I shall use the natives, prior to giving them employment in the transit countries, for the extermination of these animals. High premiums for snake skins, etc, as well as their spawn.” Herzl, Handwritten Diary entry 12 June 1895, op. cit. Herzl Diaries, vol.1,
Yosef Weitz : — “…must direct our war towards the removal of as many Arabs as possible from the boundaries of our state. The guarding of their property after their removal is a secondary question.” – in 1948, Yosef Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency Population Transfer Committee, met with military and intelligence officers –
Yosef Weitz : — “The transfer of the Arab population from the area of the Jewish State does not serve only one aim – to diminish the Arab population, it also serves a second, no less important aim which is to evacuate land presently held and cultivated by the Arabs and thus to release it for the Jewish inhabitants.”. – Yosef Weitz, director of the Land Dept. of the Jewish National Fund, and founding member of the Population Transfer Committee of the Jewish Agency in 1938
Moshe Sharett : — We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture ….. Recently there has been appearing in our newspapers the clarification about “the mutual misunderstanding” between us and the Arabs, about “common interests” [and] about “the possibility of unity and peace between two fraternal peoples.” ….. [But] we must not allow ourselves to be deluded by such illusive hopes ….. for if we cease to look upon our land, the Land of Israel, as ours alone and we allow a partner into our estate- all content and meaning will be lost to our enterprise. (Righteous Victims, p. 91)
Moshe Sharett: We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture ….. Recently there has been appearing in our newspapers the clarification about “the mutual misunderstanding” between us and the Arabs, about “common interests” [and] about “the possibility of unity and peace between two fraternal peoples.” ….. [But] we must not allow ourselves to be deluded by such illusive hopes ….. for if we cease to look upon our land, the Land of Israel, as ours alone and we allow a partner into our estate- all content and meaning will be lost to our enterprise. (Righteous Victims, p. 91) In a speech to the Zionist Actions Committee, on April 22, 1937 in Jerusalem (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 59-60)
Moshe Sharett : — With regard to the refugees, we are determined to be adamant while the war lasts. Once the return tide starts, it will be impossible to stem it, and it will prove our undoing. As for the future, we are equally determined to explore all possibilities of getting rid, once and for all, of the huge Arab minority which originally threatened us. What can be achieved in this period of storm and stress will be quite unattainable once conditions get stabilized. A group of people has already started working on the study of resettlement possibilities in other lands . . . What such permanent resettlement of ‘Israeli’ Arabs in the neighboring territories will mean in terms of making land available in Israel for settlement of our own people requires no emphasis.”
: — (Benny Morris, p. 149-150 August 18 1948, Moshe Sharett to Chaim Weizmann
Theodore Herzl : — We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back. (Theodore Herzl, 12 June 1895)
Chaim Weizmann : — “We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920)
David Ben-Gurion : — “…the land of Israel is only a small part of the territories inhabited by Arabs, and the Arabs of the Land of Israel are only a negligible group among the Arabic-speaking peoples. (But) it is impossible to imagine general evacuation without compulsion, and brutal compulsion. There are of course sections of the non-Jewish population of the Land of Israel which will not resist transfer under adequate conditions… but it would be very difficult to bring about the resettlement of other sections of the Arab populations such as the fellahin and also urban populations (to) neighbouring Arab countries by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them.” – In 1941, Ben-Gurion
David Ben-Gurion : — “It was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why is it impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan, which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are overcrowded… Even the High Commissioner agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money.”. – Around 1936, David Ben-Gurion (the father of the State of Israel)
David Ben-Gurion : — ” I would suggest to you to come round in time to the “Greater Palestine” program before it is too late… the Basle program must contain the words “Great Palestine” or “Palestine and its neighboring lands” otherwise it’s nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of 25,000 Km2?. ” The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill — From the Nile to the Euphrates.” – Ben Gurion: In 1899, Davis Triestsch wrote to Herzl:
David Ben-Gurion : — ”We should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria… The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established… When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo.” ” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
David Ben-Gurion : — “A Christian state should be established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab Legion’s strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo… And in this fashion, we will end the war and settle our forefathers’ account with Egypt, Assyria, and Aram” – David Ben-Gurion, one of the father founders of Israel, described Zionist aims in 1948:
David Ben-Gurion : — “Zionism is a transfer of the Jews. Regarding the transfer of the Arabs this is much easier than any other transfer. There are Arab states in the vicinity… and it is clear that if the Arabs are removed (to these states) this will improve their condition and not the contrary.” – In May, 1944, at a meeting of the Jewish Agency Executive, Ben-Gurion
“Zionism is a transfer of the Jews. Regarding the transfer of the Arabs this is much easier than any other transfer. There are Arab states in the vicinity… and it is clear that if the Arabs are removed (to these states) this will improve their condition and not the contrary.” – In May, 1944, at a meeting of the Jewish Agency Executive, Ben-Gurion
David Ben-Gurion : — Erect a Jewish State at once, even if it is not in the whole of the land [of Palestine]. The rest will come in the course of time. It must come.” — Ben Gurion accepting Lord Peel’s Commission recommending the partition of Palestine in 1936.
David Ben-Gurion : — We must expel Arabs and take their places. — David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
David Ben-Gurion : — The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strie to fulfill-From the Nile to the Euphrates.
Eliahu Ben-Horin : — “I suggest that the Arabs of Palestine and Transjordania be transferred to Iraq, or a united Iraq-Syrian state. That means the shifting of about 1,200,00 pesons. (Thus) the Palestinian Arabs will not be removed to a foreign land but to an Arab land…”. – In 1943, Eliahu Ben-Horin, editor of a Zionist newspaper and member of the revisionist Zionist movement
Golda Meir : — “.I, too, would want the Arabs out of the country, and my conscience would be absolutely clear. But is there a possibility of its implementation without Arab consent and British assistance?”. – In 1938, Golda Meyerson, leader of the Histadrut (Hebrew Trade Union)
Israel Zangwill : — “(We) must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the (Arab) Tribes in possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us.” – Israel Zangwill, another important political Zionist said in a talk in 1905,
Jabotinsky : — “There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews in Eretz Israel. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it is also possible to move the Palestinian Arabs (to Iraq and Saudi Arabia).” – Vladimir Jabotinsky, the father of the Revisionist Zionism movement in 1939,
Joseph Weitz : — “Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries – all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left.” Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s colonization Department in 1940. From “A Solution to the Refugee Problem”:
Joseph Weitz : — “The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point … We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe.”- Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 /p.2:
Maurice Hexter : — “the herding together of the existing Arab villages and their concentration in order to evacuate their territories for Jewish colonization…. Force the people to exchange land and move from one place to another… our intention is that the Jewish settlements will be only for Jews.”. – In 1936, with the Jewish Agency Executive, summarized the transfer goals of the Jewish Agency
Menahem Ussishkin : — “We must continually raise the demand that our land be returned to our possession … if there are other inhabitants there, they must be transferred to some other place. We must take over the land. We have a greater and nobler ideal than preserving several hundred thousands of Arab fellahin.”. – Menahem Ussishkin, chairman of the Jewish National Fund, and member of the executive of the Jewish Agency, said in a 1930 speech to journalists
Moshe Shertok : — “The (Royal Peel) Commission does not only not see something fundamentally wrong in removing people who have lived here for many generations; but it says to the Arabs that if there is a need to move out – they should move out – It points out that after the population transfer between Greece and Turkey, good relations once again prevailed between the two countries.”. – In June of 1938, Moshe Shertok, head of the Jewish Agency Political Dept.
Shabtai Levi: — “He (the Baron) advised me to carry on in similar activities, but it is better, he said, not to transfer the Arabs to Syria and Transjordan, as these are part of the Land of Israel, but to Mesopotamia (Iraq), He added that in these cases he would be ready to send the Arabs, at his expense, new agricultural machines, and agricultural advisers.” – Around 1928, Shabtai Levi, a land purchasing agent for Baron de Rothschild wrote in his memoirs