Pappe and Zionism

Here is my own transcription of a Pappe video interview. What he is saying in this interview is that Palestine-and only Palestine- saved ‘the Jews’. He tried to make his Zionism like it was a noble cause to start but went in a wrong direction. Yea, right! Who does he think he is fooling?

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Question: Your parents, they escaped Nazi Germany, yes?

Pappe: That is right
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Question: in an interview with the Guardian, you said:
“had it not been for Zionist movement, my parents and many
like them would not have escaped.”

Pappe: That is true, that is a correct quote.
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Question: You are alive today because of Zionism?

Pappe: Absolutely! Absolutely!
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Q: Do you feel guilty because you are alive because of it?

Pappe: Coming to Palestine did not have to end in the dispossession of the local people. There was a possibility to come to Palestine and live next to the Palestinians or alongside the Palestinians instead of the Palestinians. My view on this by the way is a famous letter by Mahatma Gandhi to the famous philosopher Martin Buber, when Martin Buber wanted Gandhi to support the Zionist idea in the 1930’s, Gandhi said to him there is nothing wrong of the Jews looking refugee in Palestine, there is something very wrong when they think that the only way to establish that refuge is by kicking out the Palestinians. And I think that this is what I mean that I am thankful to those who saved my parents, but I condemn them for later on expelling the Palestinians. Because my parents were victims of genocidal policies by the Nazis, I do not want to be part of a new genocide. And I do not want someone in my name destroy and expel another people, one reason I am doing what I am doing. My parents were received with open hands by the Palestinians, most of the Jewish settlers …something we have to remember most of the Jewish settler when they came were received by the Palestinians as everyone in the Arab world receives guests, we know about the Arab hospitality. Once I come as a guest to your house, and I claim that this house is mine and eventually I kick you out of your house, I have violated your hospitality, and this is something I cannot accept
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Question: do you agree that your parents came to Israel to escape the Nazi holocaust, the Nazi genocide

Pappe: Yes, I do agree
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Question: and you agree that the people who came to Israel subsequently did so to ensure that that type of event would never happen again to a person of Jewish background.

Pappe: Not entirely. I will explain why. I think the Jews who escaped Germany, and Europe during the time leading to the Nazi holocaust, that is in the 1930’s were indeed refugees looking for a safe haven. The Jews who came between 1882 and the 1930’s and laid the foundation for the Jewish state – and by the way were the people who …. the ethnic cleansing of 1948 came as colonizers, they came for the same reason the Europeans came to Africa, or Asia or Latin America. They came to colonize, they were part of the colonial enterprise, which as you know, even in the case of the Americans, America is a good example, the people who genocided the native Americans were mostly refuges from religious prosecution in Europe. The Jews looking for a safe heaven did not justify the ethnic cleaning of Palestine. After the holocaust, most of the Jews who survived the holocaust in Europe did not wish to go to Palestine, they wanted to go to USA but in 1946 the Americans decided for antisemitic reasons they did not want to have any more Jews in America and this forced the Jews to look for another place and help the Zionist project. In other words, if you are a refugee, it does not give you a license to kill someone or to expel someone.
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Question: professor, you did point out that the Jews from Europe wanted to go to America but could not because of the antisemitism there. So do you not agree that the Jews who went to Palestine did so to avoid – to make sure that there would not be a recurrence of the holocaust that they just suffered.

Pappe: That may be true of the Jews who came between 1933 and 1946,the question is was the best way to ensure there would not be another holocaust – by doing what they are doing in 1948 and what they are doing now, they are again endangering the Jewish people around the world with another holocaust. Maybe their intentions were good, we have a saying in Hebrew, the road to hell is paved with good intentions

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Pappe and Zionism